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John of the West's avatar

I don’t really get why people have a problem enforcing immigration laws. Would you let someone into your house without having a good idea of who they are and what they’re about? I’m sure a few people would, but most would be like screw that noise. I guess it will continue to be one of those disconnects the average low information person has. Obviously those with an agenda feel differently.

The whole situation puts me in the mind of the martyrdom of St. George back in 2020. I knew many hand wringing left leaning upper class suburban women who found a cause du jour in his death. Those same women would not have given the time of day to someone like George Floyd were he still alive and would have triple locked the door if he had rung the bell.

Maybe it is proximity, I don’t know. I guess the sabre tooth tiger is beautiful to look at as long as it’s dining out in someone else’s village. Maybe misplaced normalcy bias, I don’t know. People can give themselves over to all sorts of idiotic thinking as long as the consequences are remote or abstract.

I knew a family whose son was murdered by an illegal alien. They did not favor open borders for obvious reasons. The imminence of the consequences of not enforcing those laws was very real for them. Maybe they had favored immigration in the past, I don’t know. They were not very political in any other way, so maybe it wasn’t a problem as long as it wasn’t their problem until it was.

The other thing is that people have a problem trying to square up the guy fixing their roof or mowing their lawn with people who come over the border that would make most people piss themselves if they met them in person. There is always this bizarre idea of the dignity of the poor, where the lower class is inherently virtuous because they clearly didn’t know how to exploit others to make money. Having come from a lower middle class/upper low class background, it is of course all bullshit. Plenty of people without money are snakes. Plenty of people swimming across the river are snakes. It is sentimentality about these things that keeps anyone from wanting to solve the problem, and only comfortable elites can be sentimental because they can afford to.

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Kat D's avatar

‘As many liberals pointed out, President Barack Obama deported millions during his presidency without raising public rancor’

Because he didn’t actually deport that many, he changed the definition of deportation to include turning away people trying to come in.

On America in general; I’ve stated in other forums that this battle was lost long ago. People of European background are the only ones (with notable exceptions) who care about the constitution and see themselves in the founders and traditions. The others just came to make money. This could be tolerated when we still held a real majority but that is gone now and likely never to return unless the country splits. We are now a minority in several states. Trump bless him, is managing to stave off the inevitable but it’s only a matter of time. No one is even suggesting repealing Hart Celler. Legal immigration is just as bad as illegal imo. John Oliver, Trevor Noah, Ilhan Omar, Tlaib, Harris, Mayorkas…does anyone actually believe they love this country? We’re cooked no matter what.

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