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Rod Dreher's avatar

I think it's a bit too glib for Van Buskirk to say that the Black Death didn't collapse civilization. It may be literally true, but Europe after the Black Death was culturally set on a different trajectory. I say that because when I was researching "The Benedict Option," a historian cautioned me not to be overly intellectual in considering the collapse of medieval Scholasticism in the face of Nominalism, a shift that opened the door to the Renaissance, the Scientific Revolution, and the Reformation. He said that the Black Death and the disastrous wars of the 14c likely made the highly complex constructs of Scholasticism seem like too much, too hard to grasp or maintain in the face of such mass suffering.

Closer to our time, I'm researching the Weimar Republic now, and boy, is it ever true that Europe was a different place in 1918 than in 1914. I know that's commonly accepted, but when you get into the historical weeds, you see how profound the trauma of the war was to European civilization. Yes, you could have spent the years 1914-18 drinking coffee every morning in Paris at the same cafe, and could have continued on throughout the Twenties. European civilization didn't die. But the Great War poisoned it so severely that it might never recover.

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It seems that there is an argument to be made dystopia is the more likely resting spot for a failing civilization than outright collapse. Rome became a dystopian state that was so bleak that packing up and heading for barbarian lands seemed to be a better alternative. IIRC, the Aztec state was also a failed civilization that had become a bloody and demonic dystopia as well.

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