I don't know that this is so. I think that we can't say whether the 'vibe shift' is over until the midterms are in the rear view mirror. Maybe not till the 2028 election is past.
The problem is that the American people are fickle. And because of the rapid news cycle and the overwhelming negativity of the media, it's pretty much impossible to get a real read on people's actual positions.
If the Iran mess is resolved soon, and fuel prices can be brought down shortly thereafter, people are so fickle that in short order much of the current situation will be forgotten and some other, newer, shiny objects will consume the news cycle.
One last thought: after so many, many years of pent up frustration among conservatives and traditionalists, there has always been the reality that no one in the White House could ever satisfy the demand to return to 'normalcy.' This creates a sour grapes attitude among many among those of us who remember the 1980s & 1990s.
This, paired with how far we've fallen in such an historically minute amount of time, creates a fickleness unprecedented in non-revolutionary times.
There's losing support from Democrats, and then there's losing support from conservatives who would otherwise be on his side. Yes, he was always going to face opposition to deportations. He could have chosen a little bit less obvious way, but they would always fight that. He is now losing support for the foreign intervention and apparent disregard for cost of living issues. He isn't a good second-order thinker, as you pointed out. Also, he wants to snap his fingers and have things done, but that isn't going to work in our system. The tariffs are case in point.
I think most people don't want to change for the better, they just want to avoid the consequences of their shitty choices and beliefs.
I think the human race is going to get its collective ass kicked.
There. Now that I've covered the good news, should I get into the bad stuff? 😏🤣
"The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth... Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty - and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies." ~ H.L. Mencken
The problem with assuming anything from the numbers in the 2024 election is, of course, we now have confirmation of how massive voter fraud is thanks to the recent LA mayoral primary. Since the fraud always seems to flow in one direction we can assume vote tallies in both 2020 and 2024 were orders of magnitude greater than official counts.
Trump had a lot of crossover support based on rising costs of living. There was no mandate for Trump or for his ideology, whatever that is this week. The Iran War has just made prices go up some more. MAGA is now a shell that is increasingly graying or increasingly fringe. As far as political stability goes, when people run out of places to run, they no long see the government as legitimate and stop owing it loyalty in their hearts.
Absolutely. This last one was the first election cycle I even bothered to show up to. I thought, mistakenly, he was narcissistic enough that he might follow through on the whole no middle east wars. You're spot on with the loyalty. They are creating litteral traitors and real revolutionary conditions. And not the strongly worded email to your congressman kind. If already instructed my boys to not defend the current political order.
The secret to mass deportation was #1. End the freebie benefits and paid ticket in. #2. Begin jailing CEOs, Boards, and management that employ illegals. #3. End the H1B visa program. Trump was never personally inclined to any of these, nor were his bosses. ICE raids were done because they would generate negative publicity. Trump was never put in to change anything. He was put in to keep a revolt from happening and keep the globalist agenda on track. If Hillary had won in 2016 we would have been shooting the next year. The same issue was there with a Kamala victory in 2024. It is a lost cause by working in their system. Build outside, like minded individuals cooperating in close geographical proximity, self sufficient, lots of water, food, medicine, knowledge, and ammo.
I used to think Trump had good political skills, but I've now evolved toward "he just has balls." I think his political skills are poor for the most part, but balls are sometimes good enough. He has personal views on affordability and immigration that run counter to really solving the issues in a more permanent way. Jedi is right about #2, and #3 he won't even try because it requires political skills. He's made too many enemies and has no patience, which rules it out. Fining (or jailing) CEOs and companies for hiring illegals polls exceptionally well and everybody knows it's the key to solving illegal immigration LT. Taxing remittances would be loved too. On affordability he explicitly ruled out any measures that may make housing cheaper, which is exactly what affordability requires. Trump's been our Moses and moved the Overton window, now we're waiting for Joshua to take us into the promised land.
#1 is possible by EO and he has largely done it. Catch and release with a Visa card in your pocket and an "asylum hearing" 6 years from now is over.
#2 Could be done and could be very dramatic. Trump is PT Barnum, so I'm a little surprised he hasn't done this. It would also be effective. Locking the head of Tyson foods in jail for 2 weeks is a whole lot more effective than millions of regulatory fines to the company.
#3 is impossible without legislative action, and Trump will never get anything through the Congress.
I would add 1 more thing: #4 - taxes or limitations on person to person international remittances. I'm uncertain whether this could be done by EO, but I suspect it could be, since the President's power over commerce at the border is quite broad.
‘Most politicians, especially in a democracy, intrinsically understand you cannot just do things, that everything has a price tag attached to it.’
Obama just did things that no one knew about because the media covered for him. The changes in policing and education had the most detrimental impact but I’m sure there’s a boatload of others that we don’t know about.
Joe Biden just did things especially opening the borders and the tyranny during Covid. One thing that impacted me directly was his freeze on evictions but there was a myriad of others. Again the press ran cover for the old bastard.
I’m not happy with everything Trump does but I’m happier with his administration over every one prior to his going back to Nixon.
There will be no landslides in the future except for tribal factions coming together against the largest group who is fast becoming the largest minority.
The America of the now viral 1976 coke commercial is over; Trump is the last remnant of that era. Once he goes someone will hopefully prolong it but it’s not likely to last a generation.
In other words, politicians can't just do things successfully unless they have institutional backing. Obama and Biden had it in spades, therefore, they were more successful
Ok so then the country can only move left forever, since there is no institutional backing (bureaucracy, academia, public sector unions, msm) for anything other than Leftism (with occasional controlled opposition RINO terms).
Yes. That's actually what happens in a democracy. Plato observed this 2500 years ago. Democracy always goes Left, endlessly in the pursuit of desire, and eventually to tyranny.
I voted for him specifically to forsake future middle east wars. I voted for actually deportation that matter. Starting with ever single slaughter house and construction sight. Not performative larping sending tanks after grandma. Grandma might need to go to, but I want companies left without workers until the hit the right wages and the native population returns. It's not complicated. He can suck my nuts. I was never his "friend." I hired him to do a job he's failing at.
This is what MAGA struggles with. We don't "owe" Trump anything. He owes us. We made him president. Like most politicians, he's done nothing to earn our loyalty anyway. It's amazing how MAGA cannot fathom this.
I’m not MAGA I’m ‘he’s better than the alternatives’ and people incessantly complaining about something that is imperfect but realistic given how polarized this nation is, is frustrating. Oh? You wish Kamala or AOC for president now? All the moderates were telling us how difficult it was going to be to get the illegals out due to lawsuits and other shenanigans. By the time we get round to the rest of them they will have been popping out states full of sprogs and they will use our laws against us to be able to stay. It’s not all on Trump.
Of course it's not all on Trump. That's...honestly the point we're making. We're always in a "least bad" race. The disquieting truth is not that Harris would have been better. It's being whispered louder and in more and more places....
Our political order, our constitution, is permanently dead and gone. There is no fixing any of it. It's already dead. It died Kat. It's not coming back. We have to accept that collapse already happened. And build new systems. Because that's all there is to do. And none of us are ready for it.
I don't know that this is so. I think that we can't say whether the 'vibe shift' is over until the midterms are in the rear view mirror. Maybe not till the 2028 election is past.
The problem is that the American people are fickle. And because of the rapid news cycle and the overwhelming negativity of the media, it's pretty much impossible to get a real read on people's actual positions.
If the Iran mess is resolved soon, and fuel prices can be brought down shortly thereafter, people are so fickle that in short order much of the current situation will be forgotten and some other, newer, shiny objects will consume the news cycle.
One last thought: after so many, many years of pent up frustration among conservatives and traditionalists, there has always been the reality that no one in the White House could ever satisfy the demand to return to 'normalcy.' This creates a sour grapes attitude among many among those of us who remember the 1980s & 1990s.
This, paired with how far we've fallen in such an historically minute amount of time, creates a fickleness unprecedented in non-revolutionary times.
There's losing support from Democrats, and then there's losing support from conservatives who would otherwise be on his side. Yes, he was always going to face opposition to deportations. He could have chosen a little bit less obvious way, but they would always fight that. He is now losing support for the foreign intervention and apparent disregard for cost of living issues. He isn't a good second-order thinker, as you pointed out. Also, he wants to snap his fingers and have things done, but that isn't going to work in our system. The tariffs are case in point.
The vibe will shift more in Trumps favor even by midterms and after
I think most people are weak.
I think most people don't want to change for the better, they just want to avoid the consequences of their shitty choices and beliefs.
I think the human race is going to get its collective ass kicked.
There. Now that I've covered the good news, should I get into the bad stuff? 😏🤣
"The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth... Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty - and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies." ~ H.L. Mencken
It's the war
The problem with assuming anything from the numbers in the 2024 election is, of course, we now have confirmation of how massive voter fraud is thanks to the recent LA mayoral primary. Since the fraud always seems to flow in one direction we can assume vote tallies in both 2020 and 2024 were orders of magnitude greater than official counts.
Trump had a lot of crossover support based on rising costs of living. There was no mandate for Trump or for his ideology, whatever that is this week. The Iran War has just made prices go up some more. MAGA is now a shell that is increasingly graying or increasingly fringe. As far as political stability goes, when people run out of places to run, they no long see the government as legitimate and stop owing it loyalty in their hearts.
Absolutely. This last one was the first election cycle I even bothered to show up to. I thought, mistakenly, he was narcissistic enough that he might follow through on the whole no middle east wars. You're spot on with the loyalty. They are creating litteral traitors and real revolutionary conditions. And not the strongly worded email to your congressman kind. If already instructed my boys to not defend the current political order.
The secret to mass deportation was #1. End the freebie benefits and paid ticket in. #2. Begin jailing CEOs, Boards, and management that employ illegals. #3. End the H1B visa program. Trump was never personally inclined to any of these, nor were his bosses. ICE raids were done because they would generate negative publicity. Trump was never put in to change anything. He was put in to keep a revolt from happening and keep the globalist agenda on track. If Hillary had won in 2016 we would have been shooting the next year. The same issue was there with a Kamala victory in 2024. It is a lost cause by working in their system. Build outside, like minded individuals cooperating in close geographical proximity, self sufficient, lots of water, food, medicine, knowledge, and ammo.
I used to think Trump had good political skills, but I've now evolved toward "he just has balls." I think his political skills are poor for the most part, but balls are sometimes good enough. He has personal views on affordability and immigration that run counter to really solving the issues in a more permanent way. Jedi is right about #2, and #3 he won't even try because it requires political skills. He's made too many enemies and has no patience, which rules it out. Fining (or jailing) CEOs and companies for hiring illegals polls exceptionally well and everybody knows it's the key to solving illegal immigration LT. Taxing remittances would be loved too. On affordability he explicitly ruled out any measures that may make housing cheaper, which is exactly what affordability requires. Trump's been our Moses and moved the Overton window, now we're waiting for Joshua to take us into the promised land.
#1 is possible by EO and he has largely done it. Catch and release with a Visa card in your pocket and an "asylum hearing" 6 years from now is over.
#2 Could be done and could be very dramatic. Trump is PT Barnum, so I'm a little surprised he hasn't done this. It would also be effective. Locking the head of Tyson foods in jail for 2 weeks is a whole lot more effective than millions of regulatory fines to the company.
#3 is impossible without legislative action, and Trump will never get anything through the Congress.
I would add 1 more thing: #4 - taxes or limitations on person to person international remittances. I'm uncertain whether this could be done by EO, but I suspect it could be, since the President's power over commerce at the border is quite broad.
Now that's a reframe that makes many pieces fit together.
‘Most politicians, especially in a democracy, intrinsically understand you cannot just do things, that everything has a price tag attached to it.’
Obama just did things that no one knew about because the media covered for him. The changes in policing and education had the most detrimental impact but I’m sure there’s a boatload of others that we don’t know about.
Joe Biden just did things especially opening the borders and the tyranny during Covid. One thing that impacted me directly was his freeze on evictions but there was a myriad of others. Again the press ran cover for the old bastard.
I’m not happy with everything Trump does but I’m happier with his administration over every one prior to his going back to Nixon.
There will be no landslides in the future except for tribal factions coming together against the largest group who is fast becoming the largest minority.
The America of the now viral 1976 coke commercial is over; Trump is the last remnant of that era. Once he goes someone will hopefully prolong it but it’s not likely to last a generation.
In other words, politicians can't just do things successfully unless they have institutional backing. Obama and Biden had it in spades, therefore, they were more successful
Ok so then the country can only move left forever, since there is no institutional backing (bureaucracy, academia, public sector unions, msm) for anything other than Leftism (with occasional controlled opposition RINO terms).
Yes. That's actually what happens in a democracy. Plato observed this 2500 years ago. Democracy always goes Left, endlessly in the pursuit of desire, and eventually to tyranny.
I don’t understand all this dumping on Trump. Too many fair weather friends. I say let him cook.
I voted for him specifically to forsake future middle east wars. I voted for actually deportation that matter. Starting with ever single slaughter house and construction sight. Not performative larping sending tanks after grandma. Grandma might need to go to, but I want companies left without workers until the hit the right wages and the native population returns. It's not complicated. He can suck my nuts. I was never his "friend." I hired him to do a job he's failing at.
I agree. But even given everything, President Harris still doesn't sound like an improvement to me.
Definitely agree. It just shows that the ratchet only goes one way.
MANA - Make America Normal Again.
This is what MAGA struggles with. We don't "owe" Trump anything. He owes us. We made him president. Like most politicians, he's done nothing to earn our loyalty anyway. It's amazing how MAGA cannot fathom this.
I’m not MAGA I’m ‘he’s better than the alternatives’ and people incessantly complaining about something that is imperfect but realistic given how polarized this nation is, is frustrating. Oh? You wish Kamala or AOC for president now? All the moderates were telling us how difficult it was going to be to get the illegals out due to lawsuits and other shenanigans. By the time we get round to the rest of them they will have been popping out states full of sprogs and they will use our laws against us to be able to stay. It’s not all on Trump.
Of course it's not all on Trump. That's...honestly the point we're making. We're always in a "least bad" race. The disquieting truth is not that Harris would have been better. It's being whispered louder and in more and more places....
Our political order, our constitution, is permanently dead and gone. There is no fixing any of it. It's already dead. It died Kat. It's not coming back. We have to accept that collapse already happened. And build new systems. Because that's all there is to do. And none of us are ready for it.