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Kyle's avatar

I pretty much agree with you on all counts.

The three big issues as I see them are 1) Trump’s rights were likely violated; 2) the trial being held now—and even being held in the first place—are clearly political decisions; and 3) no other elected official has ever been subjected to this treatment, least of all a president.

What baffles me is the sheer incredulity of folks when it comes to the integrity of the trial. The NYT quoted one of their independent voter focus group panelists as saying she could never vote for a felon, full stop. That she believes wholeheartedly in the justice system and can’t bring herself to entertain the idea of voting for a criminal. But the thought never seems to occur to her: if Trump’s charges get overturned on appeal after the election—which I think is incredibly likely—then her vote will have been based on a bullshit conviction. What then? Will she think she’s been misled? Or is the “convicted felon” label just a mental shortcut to justify snubbing someone she can’t stand for a host of other reasons?

I just want ordinary people to think this through like you do. Trump has tons of baggage and I wish he wasn’t the Republican candidate, but it’s obvious to me this trial is an extralegal way to “get him” for something. I’m firmly in his camp less because I like him and more because I absolutely loathe the powers that be. And I’m absolutely convinced the folks who prattle endlessly about “our democracy” are the ones doing the most to undermine it.

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"We’re Headed Towards Autocracy, but it’ll be a struggle between autocrats who increase the power of the state versus those who remove power from the state."

Max, I love this framing. If you actually say "Enlightenment liberalism is dead, we're just arguing about what will replace it", you get lots of argument. It's true, but people can't accept it. Your language here captures the same critical idea in a way almost everyone would recognize.

I used that passage in Plato about the ship of state and how democracy is a bunch of drunk sailors mutinying and then arguing over the tiller on my own stack in a series I'm writing on philosophy: https://brianvillanueva.substack.com/i/143784248/rings-of-invisibility It's a great passage. I'm shopping a piece around right now on the subject you're talking about here: the inherent conflict between liberalism and democracy. Dreaming TAC will pick it up -- yeah, right. I can only hope.

"If authoritarianism means trying to take power away from the government, then is authoritarianism really a bad thing?"

This is the essence of postliberalism. Interesting piece that you might like: https://www.postliberalorder.com/p/postliberalism-without-despotism (paywalled, but you can read the preview for free.)

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