The Charleston shooting seems relevant to the forgiveness question and how these things play out depending on the immutable characteristics of who did what.
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Respect is a two-way street but in that particular context you're discussing it sure seems the cultural expectations run only one way.
Additionally, that woman asking for a cup of sugar with her baby looks like an ambush. I would not be surprised if there were 2-4 armed dudes hiding around the corner of the garage waiting for you to open the door.
I might get the sugar and pass it to her with a crack in the door, but I would have a pistol in the other hand.
1990: "Sexual orientation is genetic and fixed and don't you dare say otherwise you bigot!"
2020: "gender is fluid and flexible and don't you dare say otherwise you bigot!"
Live long enough and the Left will always contradict itself. It would be comical if their lies hadn't such a large hand in destroying society.
Regarding that essay: Gender (how people choose to present themselves on a stereotypical male/female spectrum) is and always has been fluid. Sex (what people actually are) is not fluid for any mammalian species. The problem is the intentional postmodernist conflation of these two terms. You're right -- it's not about respect but about reality.
I think certain sects put pressure on people to announce forgiveness, but it could be thatAnthony's dad had seen examples of forgiveness vs the burden of holding on to anger...
My two youngest children are girls, and we have a small farm. I have them carry sharp knives and they know where important arteries are both at the base of the neck and in the groin fold. I have told them that if they are in doubt, to slash and stab. If they are wrong, an adult may be able to fix the person, but if their gut is right, and it usually is, they will have saved their own life.
That said, we rarely go to libraries, public pools, or community events. We have stopped most of our volunteering. I live in a remote northern town in Canada, but the drag queen/fetishist/tranny posse is in charge here. Here is the latest:
Max isn't a member of the Church, so I think it's tough for him to understand Christian forgiveness. It's tough for a lot of people, even many Christians. But non-Christians particularly see it as not holding people accountable, which isn't true. You can forgive someone and still think they need to go away for a long time. Forgiveness is about not allowing your anger at another person to pollute your relationship with God. Based on the public comments of Anthony's father, I suspect that's his basis as well.
I could be wrong -- maybe Max is right and he's just bowing to the Leftist racialist agenda in which no black person can ever be at fault for anything -- but I don't think that's the case.
Auron McIntyre had a great episode on this. Basically, what you describe is therapeutic forgiveness. I'm not religious, but I did grow up in Christianity and from what I was taught, forgiveness was never about "you." It's always about the offending party, it's about letting them morally off the hook. But that can only happen after they've repented and paid a price for it. Otherwise, it's a meaningless gesture.
During that press conference that I referenced above, Jeff Metcalf said he only wanted to pray with the Anthony family and wish for a solution. Why is he trying so hard to gain the approval of the Anthony family?
Different Protestant denominations likely teach this differently (of course they do), but the Catholics and Orthodox, the 2 oldest branches of the Church, are unified on this.
From the Catholic Catechism:
"CCC 2840 this outpouring of mercy cannot penetrate our hearts as long as we have not forgiven those who have trespassed against us. ... In refusing to forgive our brothers and sisters, our hearts are closed and their hardness makes them impervious to the Father's merciful love; but in confessing our sins, our hearts are opened to his grace.
CCC 2844 Christian prayer extends to the forgiveness of enemies... Forgiveness bears witness that, in our world, love is stronger than sin. Forgiveness is the fundamental condition of the reconciliation of the children of God with their Father."
Note, had that school shooter lived, Amish forgiveness would not cause them to argue he shouldn't be imprisoned, because that would violate another key component of the faith: justice.
It's not about the other person. It's about your relationship with God.
I think Austin’s dad is nuts. Not because he forgave, but because there was nothing to forgive. He didn’t forgive the act, because that says the killer was entitled to the kill. Even God himself would require remorse and recantation of the deed. Had the killer requested forgiveness, because he understood the evil he had done, forgiveness would be possible. As it is, I see it as an appalling, self serving empty gesture. A man who doesn’t desire justice for his son is not a man I would trust.
I’ve also pointed this out to a couple of pastors (who I knew in HS), who have been entirely taken by it. In fairness, one is a female “ordained minister,” so there are other issues naturally leading to her madness - and she does exhibit indications of mental illness judging by her FB posts. 😞. They are aghast that I would even suggest there might be any instance where empathy is not the overriding concern. It does provide them, as you described, the apparent but false moral high ground and endorphin rush of “christian” virtue.
The Charleston shooting seems relevant to the forgiveness question and how these things play out depending on the immutable characteristics of who did what.
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Respect is a two-way street but in that particular context you're discussing it sure seems the cultural expectations run only one way.
Additionally, that woman asking for a cup of sugar with her baby looks like an ambush. I would not be surprised if there were 2-4 armed dudes hiding around the corner of the garage waiting for you to open the door.
I might get the sugar and pass it to her with a crack in the door, but I would have a pistol in the other hand.
1. Avoid the dangerous situation
2. If you find yourself in a dangerous situation, keep strict situation awareness.
3. If you get moved on, try to talk your way out of it.
4. If 3 fails, surprise, explosive violence and immediate flight.
1990: "Sexual orientation is genetic and fixed and don't you dare say otherwise you bigot!"
2020: "gender is fluid and flexible and don't you dare say otherwise you bigot!"
Live long enough and the Left will always contradict itself. It would be comical if their lies hadn't such a large hand in destroying society.
Regarding that essay: Gender (how people choose to present themselves on a stereotypical male/female spectrum) is and always has been fluid. Sex (what people actually are) is not fluid for any mammalian species. The problem is the intentional postmodernist conflation of these two terms. You're right -- it's not about respect but about reality.
Re women's safety: My sensei recommended this book and video series -- https://youtu.be/cXcPSbNykQg?list=PLLWcL3iBCsqMcdcjoiA7Ry-szdi__kiPw&t=441 I'm having my daughters watch it because it presents real scenarios from real people who've lived them.
I think certain sects put pressure on people to announce forgiveness, but it could be thatAnthony's dad had seen examples of forgiveness vs the burden of holding on to anger...
My two youngest children are girls, and we have a small farm. I have them carry sharp knives and they know where important arteries are both at the base of the neck and in the groin fold. I have told them that if they are in doubt, to slash and stab. If they are wrong, an adult may be able to fix the person, but if their gut is right, and it usually is, they will have saved their own life.
That said, we rarely go to libraries, public pools, or community events. We have stopped most of our volunteering. I live in a remote northern town in Canada, but the drag queen/fetishist/tranny posse is in charge here. Here is the latest:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/trans-identifying-canadian-man-charged-with-stabbing-his-two-children-released
He lives a couple of blocks from my eldest daughter and her four little boys. I will wait the insanity out, and invite kids over here for now.
Max isn't a member of the Church, so I think it's tough for him to understand Christian forgiveness. It's tough for a lot of people, even many Christians. But non-Christians particularly see it as not holding people accountable, which isn't true. You can forgive someone and still think they need to go away for a long time. Forgiveness is about not allowing your anger at another person to pollute your relationship with God. Based on the public comments of Anthony's father, I suspect that's his basis as well.
I could be wrong -- maybe Max is right and he's just bowing to the Leftist racialist agenda in which no black person can ever be at fault for anything -- but I don't think that's the case.
Auron McIntyre had a great episode on this. Basically, what you describe is therapeutic forgiveness. I'm not religious, but I did grow up in Christianity and from what I was taught, forgiveness was never about "you." It's always about the offending party, it's about letting them morally off the hook. But that can only happen after they've repented and paid a price for it. Otherwise, it's a meaningless gesture.
During that press conference that I referenced above, Jeff Metcalf said he only wanted to pray with the Anthony family and wish for a solution. Why is he trying so hard to gain the approval of the Anthony family?
Different Protestant denominations likely teach this differently (of course they do), but the Catholics and Orthodox, the 2 oldest branches of the Church, are unified on this.
From the Catholic Catechism:
"CCC 2840 this outpouring of mercy cannot penetrate our hearts as long as we have not forgiven those who have trespassed against us. ... In refusing to forgive our brothers and sisters, our hearts are closed and their hardness makes them impervious to the Father's merciful love; but in confessing our sins, our hearts are opened to his grace.
CCC 2844 Christian prayer extends to the forgiveness of enemies... Forgiveness bears witness that, in our world, love is stronger than sin. Forgiveness is the fundamental condition of the reconciliation of the children of God with their Father."
The best public example of this is the response of the Amish to the school shooting about 20 years ago: https://www.npr.org/2016/09/30/495905609/a-decade-after-amish-school-shooting-gunman-s-mother-talks-of-forgiveness I suspect Jeff Metcalf is attempting to do exactly what the Amish did.
Note, had that school shooter lived, Amish forgiveness would not cause them to argue he shouldn't be imprisoned, because that would violate another key component of the faith: justice.
It's not about the other person. It's about your relationship with God.
I think Austin’s dad is nuts. Not because he forgave, but because there was nothing to forgive. He didn’t forgive the act, because that says the killer was entitled to the kill. Even God himself would require remorse and recantation of the deed. Had the killer requested forgiveness, because he understood the evil he had done, forgiveness would be possible. As it is, I see it as an appalling, self serving empty gesture. A man who doesn’t desire justice for his son is not a man I would trust.
Joe Rigneys been taking a lot of heat for his latest book about the sin of empathy: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/223957734
I’ve also pointed this out to a couple of pastors (who I knew in HS), who have been entirely taken by it. In fairness, one is a female “ordained minister,” so there are other issues naturally leading to her madness - and she does exhibit indications of mental illness judging by her FB posts. 😞. They are aghast that I would even suggest there might be any instance where empathy is not the overriding concern. It does provide them, as you described, the apparent but false moral high ground and endorphin rush of “christian” virtue.