I also think the “reactionary” side knows who its enemies are - very clearly. This will not be racial - except maybe in some localities. This will be ultimately a battle of elites (as it always is historically) for cultural and political dominance, this time winner take all.
This is why we saw an acceleration of leftist social engineering of the armed services during the Biden Administration (picking up where the Obama administration left off and pushing the pedal down). They are well aware that the military (and LE for the most part) is a conservative institution, and the last institution left to be subverted. It is why enlistment cratered. It is why (thankfully) enlistment is now booming again under Trump-Hegseth. The American military (especially field-grade and below) have unfortunately been the tough shield protecting an increasingly rotten culture. Should they be suborned, it will be bad…
"Betz lays out the belligerent sides; he identifies three factions which are the nativist, nationalist element, the religious Islamist element, and the British state. What’s interesting about this is an anonymous active-duty French Army officer said the same thing in 2021 about his own country’s impending civil war."
While I agree with the divisions, across the West we're all dancing to a tune of the "Let's you and him fight" being played by those elites up above. While I will do so to protect what is mine, if necessary, it should be avoided if possible. Whether Muslims, or Mexicans; the opposing armies of the West are here to destroy what has been built/replace the current slaves of the elites at the behest of those that rule. They do so at every opportunity that presents itself, because they are evil, and want to sow chaos.
Too many people try to say, "Why would they do this? They're working against their interests! Our leaders must be retarded!" And there may be some of that. Some may be puppets or compromised. Or they may be intelligent, and simply evil, or working for someone that is evil.
At the end, when you see a pattern that consistently chooses the most evil path forward, to do the most damage to your way of life - one must conclude that it is not retardary. That it is a deliberate choice to systematically destroy all that is beautiful, good, and true.
First, any separation will be very temporary, if allowed at all.
The western left will not give up. It will be crushed, or not. Their actions are uniform in showing that at some level, they know this. Their pet diversities know where the wealth and opportunity they siphon comes from, and won't be letting go casually.
The "elites"? They know the extent of their crimes, and what will happen to them if enemies are allowed to coalesce and make justice a dedicated project. They will not give their opponents a chance to consolidate their power on clear terrain. They also instinctively know they cannot survive real competition, and consistently fight to preclude it. Why ever would they let you go, just so that your territory can become a South Korea to their North Korea?
And if they somehow did allow separation? they will need an external enemy to disguise their certain internal failures. Nor is there anything in their rhetoric that suggests they can abide your very existence. So the war will always continue, just with more defined lines.
Abandon the separation fantasy. It is, at best, a half-way house en route to finishing the war(s).
I've been an advocate of the National Divorce as a means to avoid a widespread Civil War 2 in the United States for a long time. Truthfully, the outcome of Bush Vs. Gore in 2000 should have started us talking seriously about it, but we were quickly distracted by 9/11 and the War on Terror.
Trump's win in 2016 was another big warning sign that we needed to consider figuring out how to split up or to at least embrace a greater Federalism as a way of staving it off. We continue to grow apart and Trump's triumphant return in 2024 has made it even more clear that drastic action is needed.
I think that we might- might!- have a window to start trying to figure out how to split up, but only after Trump passes from the political stage and his mantle of leader of the right is assumed by J.D. Vance or another Millenial after 2028. One of the biggest stumbling blocks we still face in this country is the domination of the Boomers, who are still infected with an overabundance of Civic Nationalism. Younger generations are less afflicted and will more quickly recognize the necessity of splitting up the country to avoid bloody conflict.
This window is going to be tight and it might be impossible to thread. But I think it's the only chance we have to keep from larger scale bloodshed.
I'll refrain from positing when the big "crack up" will happen because I can see every reason for it to be before the end of the year if the Big R is officially announced, just as I can see every reason for it to happen another five years from now. But I am curious to see if what will most likely inevitably happens be as racially charged as everyone thinks it will be, or if the fracture will be along class lines. A lot of poor whites in inner-city places that live in or close to black neighborhoods often sympathize and identify more with them than they do upper/middle class whites, or at the very least, adopt a lot of aspects of black culture. When things fall apart, I wonder if they'll be "allowed", I suppose you could say, to join in on the black side of things (assuming they want to, which I believe a significant amount will). While I have no doubt that many upper-classs white urbanites would want to do the same for the sake of self-prostration and "being on the wrong side of history", we all know they won't be allowed to be part of the other side because, whether they know it or not, they're the rich people the lower classes do despise and will always despise, no matter how much they pander to their pet causes. But the lower class whites? I could see them being received differently, at best as junior partners of the larger lower class revolutionary movement, at worst being temporary strange bedfellows to be discarded once they're utility has run out.
Or maybe they'll be the first to be targets of racial violence and that will calcify an in-group preference they didn't have before. I could see it going either way, but I think the class question is one that needs to be more analyzed, since it's the second most important factor at play in this kind of scenario aside from race.
That's an interesting thought. I'm not really familiar with the class of white people you describe. I live in a smallish town in Texas, and even here a lot of the black people dress/look/act in those ways that signify their desire to isolate themselves along racial lines. It's really difficult for me to see how any wide scale violence couldn't result in racial violence. I could even see it as something like blacks vs everyone else, they seem to care the most about racial identity in a way that whites, asians, and hispanics I've dealt with just don't.
It's a point I've made ad nauseum here on this space: Blacks are the single most far-right ethno-nationalist group in America. Their chauvinism far outpaces that of other groups. Asians and Hispanics have attempted that same kind of chauvinism with varying degrees of success. It just doesn't land the way Black chauvinism does.
Short run, racial violence will be heavily one-sided. The longer it goes, the more the other races will gain a sense of racial consciousness and begin to act more in solidarity with members of their own race, if unconsciously so.
Having watched a number of Betz videos I agree with the overall trajectory and probable end result. Many of the exiled and hated right have been pushing back for a decade trying to stop this while the left and centrists work hard to keep this train on the tracks.
The biggest wild card is the state and all the current signs point to them working hand in glove against the natives. The push for DEI in the military and police and open exclusion of white natives proves this is the intent down the road. When you look at the demographics with the left backed by the full force of the state it looks very grim.
Destroying the White native population has been the agenda for decades already. The state will simply decide that it’s time for the cold war on Whites to become a hot war. This is also why I don’t see the civil war happening in the US now under Trump. Not because he’s any kind of savior, but because they need a Leftist in power to oversee the proxy war of the State against Whites by way of ethnic minorities and radical leftists.
I think the difference now in America is down to just keeping the biomass flowing rather than a outright attack. If they want to attack China which is a stated goal, they will need warm white boys to do it. If they go for Iran which they seem to be toying with they will need less but still a decent army as well.
They Euro zone is different IMHO as they have went full tabula Rasa mindset and just want whites repleced with a more compliant model. Either mixed Kalergi which I think they would prefer or dead/displaced.
This might change as Europe looks like it's going civil war and the governments over played their hand to fast post covid. The tipping point happening now would probably backfire but in a decade it's probably to late.
I also think the “reactionary” side knows who its enemies are - very clearly. This will not be racial - except maybe in some localities. This will be ultimately a battle of elites (as it always is historically) for cultural and political dominance, this time winner take all.
This is why we saw an acceleration of leftist social engineering of the armed services during the Biden Administration (picking up where the Obama administration left off and pushing the pedal down). They are well aware that the military (and LE for the most part) is a conservative institution, and the last institution left to be subverted. It is why enlistment cratered. It is why (thankfully) enlistment is now booming again under Trump-Hegseth. The American military (especially field-grade and below) have unfortunately been the tough shield protecting an increasingly rotten culture. Should they be suborned, it will be bad…
"Betz lays out the belligerent sides; he identifies three factions which are the nativist, nationalist element, the religious Islamist element, and the British state. What’s interesting about this is an anonymous active-duty French Army officer said the same thing in 2021 about his own country’s impending civil war."
While I agree with the divisions, across the West we're all dancing to a tune of the "Let's you and him fight" being played by those elites up above. While I will do so to protect what is mine, if necessary, it should be avoided if possible. Whether Muslims, or Mexicans; the opposing armies of the West are here to destroy what has been built/replace the current slaves of the elites at the behest of those that rule. They do so at every opportunity that presents itself, because they are evil, and want to sow chaos.
Too many people try to say, "Why would they do this? They're working against their interests! Our leaders must be retarded!" And there may be some of that. Some may be puppets or compromised. Or they may be intelligent, and simply evil, or working for someone that is evil.
At the end, when you see a pattern that consistently chooses the most evil path forward, to do the most damage to your way of life - one must conclude that it is not retardary. That it is a deliberate choice to systematically destroy all that is beautiful, good, and true.
First, any separation will be very temporary, if allowed at all.
The western left will not give up. It will be crushed, or not. Their actions are uniform in showing that at some level, they know this. Their pet diversities know where the wealth and opportunity they siphon comes from, and won't be letting go casually.
The "elites"? They know the extent of their crimes, and what will happen to them if enemies are allowed to coalesce and make justice a dedicated project. They will not give their opponents a chance to consolidate their power on clear terrain. They also instinctively know they cannot survive real competition, and consistently fight to preclude it. Why ever would they let you go, just so that your territory can become a South Korea to their North Korea?
And if they somehow did allow separation? they will need an external enemy to disguise their certain internal failures. Nor is there anything in their rhetoric that suggests they can abide your very existence. So the war will always continue, just with more defined lines.
Abandon the separation fantasy. It is, at best, a half-way house en route to finishing the war(s).
I've been an advocate of the National Divorce as a means to avoid a widespread Civil War 2 in the United States for a long time. Truthfully, the outcome of Bush Vs. Gore in 2000 should have started us talking seriously about it, but we were quickly distracted by 9/11 and the War on Terror.
Trump's win in 2016 was another big warning sign that we needed to consider figuring out how to split up or to at least embrace a greater Federalism as a way of staving it off. We continue to grow apart and Trump's triumphant return in 2024 has made it even more clear that drastic action is needed.
I think that we might- might!- have a window to start trying to figure out how to split up, but only after Trump passes from the political stage and his mantle of leader of the right is assumed by J.D. Vance or another Millenial after 2028. One of the biggest stumbling blocks we still face in this country is the domination of the Boomers, who are still infected with an overabundance of Civic Nationalism. Younger generations are less afflicted and will more quickly recognize the necessity of splitting up the country to avoid bloody conflict.
This window is going to be tight and it might be impossible to thread. But I think it's the only chance we have to keep from larger scale bloodshed.
Our biggest problem is the Liberal Fascist Supremacists wont leave us the hell alone. Somethings gotta give.
I'll refrain from positing when the big "crack up" will happen because I can see every reason for it to be before the end of the year if the Big R is officially announced, just as I can see every reason for it to happen another five years from now. But I am curious to see if what will most likely inevitably happens be as racially charged as everyone thinks it will be, or if the fracture will be along class lines. A lot of poor whites in inner-city places that live in or close to black neighborhoods often sympathize and identify more with them than they do upper/middle class whites, or at the very least, adopt a lot of aspects of black culture. When things fall apart, I wonder if they'll be "allowed", I suppose you could say, to join in on the black side of things (assuming they want to, which I believe a significant amount will). While I have no doubt that many upper-classs white urbanites would want to do the same for the sake of self-prostration and "being on the wrong side of history", we all know they won't be allowed to be part of the other side because, whether they know it or not, they're the rich people the lower classes do despise and will always despise, no matter how much they pander to their pet causes. But the lower class whites? I could see them being received differently, at best as junior partners of the larger lower class revolutionary movement, at worst being temporary strange bedfellows to be discarded once they're utility has run out.
Or maybe they'll be the first to be targets of racial violence and that will calcify an in-group preference they didn't have before. I could see it going either way, but I think the class question is one that needs to be more analyzed, since it's the second most important factor at play in this kind of scenario aside from race.
That's an interesting thought. I'm not really familiar with the class of white people you describe. I live in a smallish town in Texas, and even here a lot of the black people dress/look/act in those ways that signify their desire to isolate themselves along racial lines. It's really difficult for me to see how any wide scale violence couldn't result in racial violence. I could even see it as something like blacks vs everyone else, they seem to care the most about racial identity in a way that whites, asians, and hispanics I've dealt with just don't.
It's a point I've made ad nauseum here on this space: Blacks are the single most far-right ethno-nationalist group in America. Their chauvinism far outpaces that of other groups. Asians and Hispanics have attempted that same kind of chauvinism with varying degrees of success. It just doesn't land the way Black chauvinism does.
Short run, racial violence will be heavily one-sided. The longer it goes, the more the other races will gain a sense of racial consciousness and begin to act more in solidarity with members of their own race, if unconsciously so.
Having watched a number of Betz videos I agree with the overall trajectory and probable end result. Many of the exiled and hated right have been pushing back for a decade trying to stop this while the left and centrists work hard to keep this train on the tracks.
The biggest wild card is the state and all the current signs point to them working hand in glove against the natives. The push for DEI in the military and police and open exclusion of white natives proves this is the intent down the road. When you look at the demographics with the left backed by the full force of the state it looks very grim.
Destroying the White native population has been the agenda for decades already. The state will simply decide that it’s time for the cold war on Whites to become a hot war. This is also why I don’t see the civil war happening in the US now under Trump. Not because he’s any kind of savior, but because they need a Leftist in power to oversee the proxy war of the State against Whites by way of ethnic minorities and radical leftists.
I think the difference now in America is down to just keeping the biomass flowing rather than a outright attack. If they want to attack China which is a stated goal, they will need warm white boys to do it. If they go for Iran which they seem to be toying with they will need less but still a decent army as well.
They Euro zone is different IMHO as they have went full tabula Rasa mindset and just want whites repleced with a more compliant model. Either mixed Kalergi which I think they would prefer or dead/displaced.
This might change as Europe looks like it's going civil war and the governments over played their hand to fast post covid. The tipping point happening now would probably backfire but in a decade it's probably to late.