You say that "some day" whites may be stripped of their wealth and property. This has already happened to the working classes (white people who don't live in New York, LA or DC). Go to the deindustrialized towns of Pennsylvania or Ohio. Or Northern England. Everything these people worked and died for has been put up for sale.
The actions of his father, and the behavior in response tell us what we need to know. His dad basically tried to do a “let’s pray on this” Christian come together thing, and they got SWATed.
Nothing white people do will be enough.
Assimilated blacks will be seen as Uncle Toms.
Leftist crazy whites will accept any and all deprivations to avoid the label of racism.
An openly race conscious segment of whites will begin to increasingly make up the majority of whites.
It did not have to be this way. We likely could have figured out a better (but not ideal) situation.
What is going to happen is that there will be some riots that turn into going to the suburbs to kill whites. This will turn into gun battles and massacres on both sides.
Austin was trying to be the tent police. One fact being ignored is that Austin was a lot bigger than Karmelo. Karmelo was in fear for his life so that’s why he warned Austin:” Touch me and see what happens.” …Austin wanted to see what happens.
Unfortunately for his family, Austin became a member of the Ashlee Babbitt FAFO club. Ashlee had a history of bullying people , too , that gave her a false sense of invincibility!
All I can say is that I lived in a black neighborhood for a long time and generosity and kindness was the order of the day. So many of the observations you make apply to the President’s most fervent and media exposed supporters. I don’t attribute their aggression to all of his voters. Consume less media and get out more in the world; it’s good for you.
This seems like a good spot to share this op-ed I wrote a bit ago about Daniel Penny since people are making asinine comparisons between his case and this case:
"This double standard reveals the impossible position society places on those who step forward in moments of crisis. Act, and you are vilified for overstepping. Stay silent, and you are condemned for cowardice."
At some point, you must conclude: the irreconcilability of those two positions is the whole point.
Thank you so much Max! I genuinely appreciate the feedback - (even from those who come at me with pitchforks in hand, lol) - but it is always much more enjoyable when the feedback is solid, specific, and positive just like yours. Again, thank you sir!
This is perhaps the only subject you talk about where your opinion makes me uncomfortable (even if there are others where I might disagree with you) probably for the reasons you'd suspect.
What permeates my own take is the idea that, as individuals, in our own individual situations, we consider everyone else as individuals. I know this approach is looked down upon from "extremists" on both the "left" and "right" (holy scare quotes, Batman!), but I propose it anyway. On those same grounds, I really wish I were making this comment anonymously, but here goes.
I'm surprised you didn't discuss the Wilfred Reilly tweet here (the original one, he has more since), although your line "for the most part nothing bad happens, then suddenly, one day, it does" touches on the one I'm talking about. Crime really is a minor element of the day-to-day. (Anecdotal evidence of the day: Maybe I'm isolated in a bubble, although as a recreational basketball player, I'm in mixed race settings all the time, uncomfortable things have happened—most recently instigated by a white "Karen"—but nothing bad has happened; I will go ahead and the "yet" before you do even though, it being northern Virginia, I keep going because I don't actually see much if any risk). This is statistically true as far as I can tell, and has been improving since the '80s, albeit a lot of it coming in the Clinton–Giuliani '90s specifically. In a population of hundreds of millions, violent crime is counted in the six figures at worst, and low five figures—even at its worst—for deadly crime.
You mention tackling this case from a prepping perspective later, and that's probably more useful—protect yourself from possibilities like these, recognizing them as they arise on a case-by-case basis or avoiding them altogether. Okay, you can choose to use certain information while doing that, but I propose age, attire, cleanliness, location, past history (albeit unknown in most relevant situations, but probably not the Metcalf–Anthony one), group size if relevant, even degree of tattooed-ness to all be more informational than race. Even if some people for socioeconomic or other reasons are more likely to rank in certain places on the scale, this test would occasionally be failed by anyone who chooses only to make such decisions on race, and as you know once is all it takes. So I'm still proposing a case-by-case basis.
It is on these terms, not he-deserved-it ones, that I would suggest Metcalf could have been more careful. "Touch me and see what happens" sounds like both premeditation by Anthony on one hand, and a great reason for Metcalf to back off on the other, even if he couldn't imagine that Anthony was carrying a knife. Given that it sounds increasingly possible there was a preexisting "beef" here which added tension to the relationship between these two boys in particular—not, I'll note, between the white and black "communities" of Frisco, Texas—it would seem that the avoidance course of action was a) even more recommended and b) given the ages, less likely to happen. We are likely dealing with not one but two examples of misplaced pride here.
Despite some differences, the case reminds me of the George Zimmerman–Trayvon Martin one, which, I first want to say, in many of these discussions from all perspectives seems to almost never come up anymore, which is crazy to me given how massive a story it was at the time. Secondly and relatedly, if you review polling on race relations, it's where everything that had been on the up-and-up fell apart. The difference between the specific cases is likely to end up being the parameters upon which self-defense is invoked, although I'm not going to rehash the 2012 case or speculate further on the 2025 one.
Now, on the larger trends. I'm going to say pretty much nothing on this except that Abraham Lincoln himself considered separation plans until the war was well in hand, at which point the man who pushed through the 13th and would have the 14th and 15th amendments showed up. It truly would be a repudiation of much of the American experiment if we're ultimately in the same spot 160-170 years later.
If only our politicians and intellectuals on this subject for the past 15–50 years were all more like Lincoln and Frederick Douglass—in their general character, not their exact opinions at specific times in their lives—instead of the one's we've gotten, things could be so much better. Alas, a tall bar.
Crime statistics can be misleading. The murder rate has declined but so has the survival rate due to advances in medical technology and ambulance response times (GPS, cell phones making 911 calls faster). In some cities what would have been major riots 50 years ago are mostly peaceful protests today.
The thing about individualism is that it makes agency absolute at the personal level. However, the Black community has made it clear it's failures are America's failures. If that's what they really believe, fine, but then they cannot insist upon being judged as individuals. They then have to be judged as a collective.
In a multiracial society, judging people on an individual basis is a pipedream. There's no way to reconcile, "We must give each race their unique due based on their culture and history" with "Everyone is responsible for their own actions. I suppose you could come up with a set of rules dictating when people will be judged as individuals and when as a group, but such a system would be so complex and unwieldy, it'd probably unravel upon first contact with reality.
I wouldn't cross the street to avoid either of those two people, both of whom are known personalities and neither of who would have any reason to care about me one way or the other. I wouldn't cross the street to avoid either of the archetypes that you meant for them to represent (a single middle- aged professional black man and a single older teen White dressed like a hobo with tattoos) unless they were acting intoxicated or crazy.
I would pre- emptively avoid the streets where I'm likely to encounter a large number of young black males dressed like Eminem. Nobody with any sense stops to get gas on any street named after Martin Luther King at night. You drive to the next exit instead.
Likewise, if you're in a public place where the crowd suddenly starts to darken with an excess of young blacks over and above the normal ratio in which you would expect to find them, you best be finding your nearest exit before things go sideways.
Now, are things guaranteed to go sideways for you in either of the above scenarios? Of course not. But the potential is higher for it to happen and is best to be avoided.
The same holds true for confronting a single black for misbehavior. Statistically speaking blacks are much more pre- disposed to react with violence than any other racial group, particularly over perceived slights or disrespect. You are wise to avoid them in general and wiser still not to confront them without backup.
There's that saying, "People vote with their feet." In other words, pay attention to what they do more than they say. Nobody is really comfortable around Blacks. Not White liberals, either. It's cool to be associated with Blacks as a young person, but eventually you grow up and get tired of it.
We're wary about confronting people in general today, but nobody dares confront a Black person. I'm not afraid of Black people - they're no better than me - but I'm also fully aware of the realities of the demographic. I used to think the best of Black people, as better people than all of us. Looking back on it, I feel like such a fool for the mental gymnastics I subjected myself to so I could keep believing the best of them.
Reading the account, it sounds like Karmelo Anthony was looking for a fight and taunting the kids from the other school to go ahead and take the first swing, so that he would feel justified in “defending himself.” He’s not the first person or the last to want to be a big man by pulling a knife or a gun on someone. Plenty of other people have done the same thing and ruined their own lives by going to prison. Honestly, the only reason he would have had a knife at a track meet was if he was looking for trouble, given how stringent security has gotten at schools. Also, most people at track meets are chill, so he probably really had to push some buttons.
I’m not sure his motivation or behavior was even racial. I think what we’re seeing is a litmus test on how people feel about things, though, and that says way more about where we are as a nation with race. The thing is, blacks had a chance to integrate in the years following the end of Jim Crow, but some of them saw an advantage in maintaining their own parallel culture. So, basically, you have a low-level intifada of sorts, where blacks see themselves as oppressed and feel justified in acting out when they are threatened, or see violence against whites as being justified because of how “oppressed” they are. Every other ethnic group which has come to this country has managed to assimilate. Blacks have high esteem in most circles right now and still can’t assimilate.
I guess the thing that will ultimately settle the question is going to be Hispanic immigration into America, legal or not. Hispanic gang are extremely violent and they don’t care much about being politically correct. I’ve read more than one black person who was genuinely scared about being replaced and run out of the “hood” by the Latin American gangs. That may lead them to regret trying to weaken law enforcement and not their own communities strong.
The things I’ve heard other Hispanics (and East Asians, and SEAs, and Arabs, and Slavs, and Italians, and Irish…) say about these people would probably get my account nuked off this platform. Preoccupation with this community’s well-being at the expense of literally everybody else is entirely a North European obsession. Which is to say -putting it in extremely crude terms I’ll probably regret spelling out-, there is some vague but very present sense that everybody else is waiting for heritage Americans to finally quit playing pretend.
Honestly, the only thing that really needs to happen is for there to finally be some honest conversation about race again. It is just the no true Scotsman fallacy raging out of control. The thug mindset has to go and that is going to require blacks accepting that they can’t stand in solidarity with the thugs any longer, even though they come from the same root culture. I don’t see it happening, though, until other social pressures take over and there isn’t room for that sort of luxury thinking.
I will state that the victim was failed by his upbringing, given how his completely race- cucked father has behaved in the aftermath. I guarantee the victim was never given John Derbyshire's version of The Talk for White people.
If he had been given at least a little bit of a hint of race awareness, he would have recognized that he was dealing with a feral black and not one of the tame blacks he might have been friends with it at his school and backed off, got assistance from an adult, and resolved the situation that way.
Instead, because he wasn't race aware, he took the bait when the killer started daring him to touch him. He misjudged that something that might be a mild physical scuffle would turn into a deadly fight. The killer knew what he was doing and black Twitter is leaping on the reports that the victim initiated physical contact to claim that he's just like Saint Kyle of Kenosha or Daniel Perry. His defense attorneys will push this self- defense claim and if they get a jury with a bunch of blacks and race- cucked Whites, he may get off.
Whites have got to get with the program. Unless you're carrying a badge, gun, and the legal authority to use physical force necessary to subdue the malefactor, there is no percentage in confronting a black over misbehavior unless they are directly attacking you or another person in your tribe. You don't intervene when they're assaulting each other. You don't help them out when they're being victimized by their own kind. You definitely don't need to intervene one on one with a black. Bring a crowd of like- minded Whites or the cops before you initiate conflict.
And give your kids the John Derbyshire version of "The Talk" before they're old enough to have regular contact with many blacks.
I think this case may just be the crack in the dam. Much of what I have to say on this case isn't fit to print especially the way that the father is acting. Reparations and repatriation are the way.
You say that "some day" whites may be stripped of their wealth and property. This has already happened to the working classes (white people who don't live in New York, LA or DC). Go to the deindustrialized towns of Pennsylvania or Ohio. Or Northern England. Everything these people worked and died for has been put up for sale.
The actions of his father, and the behavior in response tell us what we need to know. His dad basically tried to do a “let’s pray on this” Christian come together thing, and they got SWATed.
Nothing white people do will be enough.
Assimilated blacks will be seen as Uncle Toms.
Leftist crazy whites will accept any and all deprivations to avoid the label of racism.
An openly race conscious segment of whites will begin to increasingly make up the majority of whites.
It did not have to be this way. We likely could have figured out a better (but not ideal) situation.
What is going to happen is that there will be some riots that turn into going to the suburbs to kill whites. This will turn into gun battles and massacres on both sides.
What happens after that is anyone’s guess
Austin was trying to be the tent police. One fact being ignored is that Austin was a lot bigger than Karmelo. Karmelo was in fear for his life so that’s why he warned Austin:” Touch me and see what happens.” …Austin wanted to see what happens.
It wasn’t murder…it was Stand Your Ground self defense just like you white people use!!
Unfortunately for his family, Austin became a member of the Ashlee Babbitt FAFO club. Ashlee had a history of bullying people , too , that gave her a false sense of invincibility!
Good post. I understand your perspective, just wanted to leave this here, a thorough refutation to popular systemic racism claims: https://open.substack.com/pub/oprodigious1213/p/addressing-some-common-systemic-racism?r=267s56&utm_medium=ios
Mass deportations. Blacks should be in their own country. In Africa.
Race is not just skin color. It’s everything. We are literally different species as far as genetic analysis. And we recognize that deep down inside.
africans generally don’t like them though.
True
Who is the Thug? Austin Metcalf posted on Twitter: “I wish one of those **** would show up to the track meet today”
All I can say is that I lived in a black neighborhood for a long time and generosity and kindness was the order of the day. So many of the observations you make apply to the President’s most fervent and media exposed supporters. I don’t attribute their aggression to all of his voters. Consume less media and get out more in the world; it’s good for you.
Do you still live in a Black neighborhood?
No. I got laid off and found work in a different state.
With a name like Hsiao?
You are from a myopic viewpoint
You are definitely operating off of your own life lense.
But you develop your synthesis of life only through your lense.
I hope you can expand beyond these parameters for our country and for yourself.
God Bless
Apropo -confirms everything I said
And you are pathetic
Look up the definition
Hahaha!
Pathetic
This seems like a good spot to share this op-ed I wrote a bit ago about Daniel Penny since people are making asinine comparisons between his case and this case:
https://thequillandmusket.substack.com/p/courage-in-the-chaos?r=4xypjp
That was a great piece. I liked this passage:
"This double standard reveals the impossible position society places on those who step forward in moments of crisis. Act, and you are vilified for overstepping. Stay silent, and you are condemned for cowardice."
At some point, you must conclude: the irreconcilability of those two positions is the whole point.
Thank you so much Max! I genuinely appreciate the feedback - (even from those who come at me with pitchforks in hand, lol) - but it is always much more enjoyable when the feedback is solid, specific, and positive just like yours. Again, thank you sir!
This is perhaps the only subject you talk about where your opinion makes me uncomfortable (even if there are others where I might disagree with you) probably for the reasons you'd suspect.
What permeates my own take is the idea that, as individuals, in our own individual situations, we consider everyone else as individuals. I know this approach is looked down upon from "extremists" on both the "left" and "right" (holy scare quotes, Batman!), but I propose it anyway. On those same grounds, I really wish I were making this comment anonymously, but here goes.
I'm surprised you didn't discuss the Wilfred Reilly tweet here (the original one, he has more since), although your line "for the most part nothing bad happens, then suddenly, one day, it does" touches on the one I'm talking about. Crime really is a minor element of the day-to-day. (Anecdotal evidence of the day: Maybe I'm isolated in a bubble, although as a recreational basketball player, I'm in mixed race settings all the time, uncomfortable things have happened—most recently instigated by a white "Karen"—but nothing bad has happened; I will go ahead and the "yet" before you do even though, it being northern Virginia, I keep going because I don't actually see much if any risk). This is statistically true as far as I can tell, and has been improving since the '80s, albeit a lot of it coming in the Clinton–Giuliani '90s specifically. In a population of hundreds of millions, violent crime is counted in the six figures at worst, and low five figures—even at its worst—for deadly crime.
You mention tackling this case from a prepping perspective later, and that's probably more useful—protect yourself from possibilities like these, recognizing them as they arise on a case-by-case basis or avoiding them altogether. Okay, you can choose to use certain information while doing that, but I propose age, attire, cleanliness, location, past history (albeit unknown in most relevant situations, but probably not the Metcalf–Anthony one), group size if relevant, even degree of tattooed-ness to all be more informational than race. Even if some people for socioeconomic or other reasons are more likely to rank in certain places on the scale, this test would occasionally be failed by anyone who chooses only to make such decisions on race, and as you know once is all it takes. So I'm still proposing a case-by-case basis.
It is on these terms, not he-deserved-it ones, that I would suggest Metcalf could have been more careful. "Touch me and see what happens" sounds like both premeditation by Anthony on one hand, and a great reason for Metcalf to back off on the other, even if he couldn't imagine that Anthony was carrying a knife. Given that it sounds increasingly possible there was a preexisting "beef" here which added tension to the relationship between these two boys in particular—not, I'll note, between the white and black "communities" of Frisco, Texas—it would seem that the avoidance course of action was a) even more recommended and b) given the ages, less likely to happen. We are likely dealing with not one but two examples of misplaced pride here.
Despite some differences, the case reminds me of the George Zimmerman–Trayvon Martin one, which, I first want to say, in many of these discussions from all perspectives seems to almost never come up anymore, which is crazy to me given how massive a story it was at the time. Secondly and relatedly, if you review polling on race relations, it's where everything that had been on the up-and-up fell apart. The difference between the specific cases is likely to end up being the parameters upon which self-defense is invoked, although I'm not going to rehash the 2012 case or speculate further on the 2025 one.
Now, on the larger trends. I'm going to say pretty much nothing on this except that Abraham Lincoln himself considered separation plans until the war was well in hand, at which point the man who pushed through the 13th and would have the 14th and 15th amendments showed up. It truly would be a repudiation of much of the American experiment if we're ultimately in the same spot 160-170 years later.
If only our politicians and intellectuals on this subject for the past 15–50 years were all more like Lincoln and Frederick Douglass—in their general character, not their exact opinions at specific times in their lives—instead of the one's we've gotten, things could be so much better. Alas, a tall bar.
Crime statistics can be misleading. The murder rate has declined but so has the survival rate due to advances in medical technology and ambulance response times (GPS, cell phones making 911 calls faster). In some cities what would have been major riots 50 years ago are mostly peaceful protests today.
The thing about individualism is that it makes agency absolute at the personal level. However, the Black community has made it clear it's failures are America's failures. If that's what they really believe, fine, but then they cannot insist upon being judged as individuals. They then have to be judged as a collective.
In a multiracial society, judging people on an individual basis is a pipedream. There's no way to reconcile, "We must give each race their unique due based on their culture and history" with "Everyone is responsible for their own actions. I suppose you could come up with a set of rules dictating when people will be judged as individuals and when as a group, but such a system would be so complex and unwieldy, it'd probably unravel upon first contact with reality.
You are so naive
What an excellent, substantive rebuttal. You have truly given me a lot to think about.
If you would cross the street to avoid John McWhorter but not a 17-year-old Eminem, I guess that's your prerogative.
I wouldn't cross the street to avoid either of those two people, both of whom are known personalities and neither of who would have any reason to care about me one way or the other. I wouldn't cross the street to avoid either of the archetypes that you meant for them to represent (a single middle- aged professional black man and a single older teen White dressed like a hobo with tattoos) unless they were acting intoxicated or crazy.
I would pre- emptively avoid the streets where I'm likely to encounter a large number of young black males dressed like Eminem. Nobody with any sense stops to get gas on any street named after Martin Luther King at night. You drive to the next exit instead.
Likewise, if you're in a public place where the crowd suddenly starts to darken with an excess of young blacks over and above the normal ratio in which you would expect to find them, you best be finding your nearest exit before things go sideways.
Now, are things guaranteed to go sideways for you in either of the above scenarios? Of course not. But the potential is higher for it to happen and is best to be avoided.
The same holds true for confronting a single black for misbehavior. Statistically speaking blacks are much more pre- disposed to react with violence than any other racial group, particularly over perceived slights or disrespect. You are wise to avoid them in general and wiser still not to confront them without backup.
There's that saying, "People vote with their feet." In other words, pay attention to what they do more than they say. Nobody is really comfortable around Blacks. Not White liberals, either. It's cool to be associated with Blacks as a young person, but eventually you grow up and get tired of it.
We're wary about confronting people in general today, but nobody dares confront a Black person. I'm not afraid of Black people - they're no better than me - but I'm also fully aware of the realities of the demographic. I used to think the best of Black people, as better people than all of us. Looking back on it, I feel like such a fool for the mental gymnastics I subjected myself to so I could keep believing the best of them.
You need to reflect
Instead of being prideful
Maybe you're the one placing pride over reflection given I've yet to hear you rebut a single point.
Reading the account, it sounds like Karmelo Anthony was looking for a fight and taunting the kids from the other school to go ahead and take the first swing, so that he would feel justified in “defending himself.” He’s not the first person or the last to want to be a big man by pulling a knife or a gun on someone. Plenty of other people have done the same thing and ruined their own lives by going to prison. Honestly, the only reason he would have had a knife at a track meet was if he was looking for trouble, given how stringent security has gotten at schools. Also, most people at track meets are chill, so he probably really had to push some buttons.
I’m not sure his motivation or behavior was even racial. I think what we’re seeing is a litmus test on how people feel about things, though, and that says way more about where we are as a nation with race. The thing is, blacks had a chance to integrate in the years following the end of Jim Crow, but some of them saw an advantage in maintaining their own parallel culture. So, basically, you have a low-level intifada of sorts, where blacks see themselves as oppressed and feel justified in acting out when they are threatened, or see violence against whites as being justified because of how “oppressed” they are. Every other ethnic group which has come to this country has managed to assimilate. Blacks have high esteem in most circles right now and still can’t assimilate.
I guess the thing that will ultimately settle the question is going to be Hispanic immigration into America, legal or not. Hispanic gang are extremely violent and they don’t care much about being politically correct. I’ve read more than one black person who was genuinely scared about being replaced and run out of the “hood” by the Latin American gangs. That may lead them to regret trying to weaken law enforcement and not their own communities strong.
The things I’ve heard other Hispanics (and East Asians, and SEAs, and Arabs, and Slavs, and Italians, and Irish…) say about these people would probably get my account nuked off this platform. Preoccupation with this community’s well-being at the expense of literally everybody else is entirely a North European obsession. Which is to say -putting it in extremely crude terms I’ll probably regret spelling out-, there is some vague but very present sense that everybody else is waiting for heritage Americans to finally quit playing pretend.
Honestly, the only thing that really needs to happen is for there to finally be some honest conversation about race again. It is just the no true Scotsman fallacy raging out of control. The thug mindset has to go and that is going to require blacks accepting that they can’t stand in solidarity with the thugs any longer, even though they come from the same root culture. I don’t see it happening, though, until other social pressures take over and there isn’t room for that sort of luxury thinking.
I will state that the victim was failed by his upbringing, given how his completely race- cucked father has behaved in the aftermath. I guarantee the victim was never given John Derbyshire's version of The Talk for White people.
If he had been given at least a little bit of a hint of race awareness, he would have recognized that he was dealing with a feral black and not one of the tame blacks he might have been friends with it at his school and backed off, got assistance from an adult, and resolved the situation that way.
Instead, because he wasn't race aware, he took the bait when the killer started daring him to touch him. He misjudged that something that might be a mild physical scuffle would turn into a deadly fight. The killer knew what he was doing and black Twitter is leaping on the reports that the victim initiated physical contact to claim that he's just like Saint Kyle of Kenosha or Daniel Perry. His defense attorneys will push this self- defense claim and if they get a jury with a bunch of blacks and race- cucked Whites, he may get off.
Whites have got to get with the program. Unless you're carrying a badge, gun, and the legal authority to use physical force necessary to subdue the malefactor, there is no percentage in confronting a black over misbehavior unless they are directly attacking you or another person in your tribe. You don't intervene when they're assaulting each other. You don't help them out when they're being victimized by their own kind. You definitely don't need to intervene one on one with a black. Bring a crowd of like- minded Whites or the cops before you initiate conflict.
And give your kids the John Derbyshire version of "The Talk" before they're old enough to have regular contact with many blacks.
I think this case may just be the crack in the dam. Much of what I have to say on this case isn't fit to print especially the way that the father is acting. Reparations and repatriation are the way.