I think Newsom’s great anger at Trump’s federalization of the CA National Guard is that this show of force is directly tied to disarming the governor’s own personal military. What does he have left, the CA state police? Those cannot be federalized, but it does show the limits of state power versus federal power. That component alone might prevent an over civil war and push things to clandestine/independent action by different parties. Just like the TX border standoff last year, I believe this is a critical time right now with immense implications for any future conflict.
The time is over for deportations and ‘draining the swamp’. There is just no way to clear out 20+ million people and the government (all 3 branches including the unelected) of citizens who hate Americana. The only option I see is to divide, blue and red states, each setting up their own government, while maintaining a USA with military and economic ties. How this happens?? Idk. Maybe a Convention of States?
Then when the blue states eventually deteriorate and cannibalize themselves, we in the red states take back what is ours and reform the nation. Just a thought.
The red could live with this because it's localist -- it can live and let live. But Enlightenment liberalism (the blue) is a universal, liberationist ideology. It's essentially a rival religion. And the new God will not tolerate coexistence with the old.
The irony of all this is the distinct possibility that illegal alien invader riots may just end up driving black people into the patient, loving arms of the Republican party, their natural home. And foreign terrorism on US soil is more likely to unite the country and be blamed at least partially on Democrats. Further, a very large plurality, if not majority of latinos have fairly conservative Christian social values and abhor social order. A lot of them actually like “Papi Trump”. The other thing is that normies are getting dam sick and tired of commie violence and Dem-media lying and gaslighting about it. Theyre not buying the narrative of “fascist Trump” anymore as they see with their own eyes whom is actually the source of their misery. And what are, and who support the most reasonable, likely solutions. There are signs pointing to a major awakening. I see some form of national divorce as more likely than all out civil war.
I think you’re mistaken about Hispanics. A lot of them voted for Trump and the Hispanic men here in South Texas are mostly based. Probably the same could be said for Florida. Now the ones in south Arizona and Southern California are not so good.
Kamala Harris still won the Hispanic vote decisively. There's also a tremendous ethnicity gap; Mexican Americans lean significantly left. There's a possibility the Hispanic vote swings back leftward next election.
I believe we are heading for a division. Maybe three or four separate countries. I believe that there will be a migration akin to Hindus leaving Pakistan and Bangladesh to India and Muslims vice versa. We are not unified. In fact there is an internal hatred between regions right now.
The divisions will probably be county-by-county. i.e. - the Eastern counties of Oregon and Washington want out in the strongest possible way. Chicago will throw in with a blue strip across northern Ohio to New England.
At some point, competence trumps ideology. What scares me is that's how you get a Franco or a Lenin or a Hitler: sure, he's a terrible person, but at least he can keep the lights on, the trains running, and my kids protected.
This isn’t even the worst riot in recent memory. It’s not going to spiral into a civil war. LA loves riots. This is nothing compared to BLM but that wasn’t the first awful riot either. Who exactly do you think Is going to take up arms against the military in a an organized fashion?
The military, not now or in the near future. But cops? Maybe firefighters responding to a fire in that gentryfing neighborhood? Or military members on leave? That might very well become common.
“We are not going away," she said. "We are staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country," she said
If you do not fight for what is yours, not long will it be yours.
I think Newsom’s great anger at Trump’s federalization of the CA National Guard is that this show of force is directly tied to disarming the governor’s own personal military. What does he have left, the CA state police? Those cannot be federalized, but it does show the limits of state power versus federal power. That component alone might prevent an over civil war and push things to clandestine/independent action by different parties. Just like the TX border standoff last year, I believe this is a critical time right now with immense implications for any future conflict.
The time is over for deportations and ‘draining the swamp’. There is just no way to clear out 20+ million people and the government (all 3 branches including the unelected) of citizens who hate Americana. The only option I see is to divide, blue and red states, each setting up their own government, while maintaining a USA with military and economic ties. How this happens?? Idk. Maybe a Convention of States?
Then when the blue states eventually deteriorate and cannibalize themselves, we in the red states take back what is ours and reform the nation. Just a thought.
Separation, dissolving the union, is the most peaceful way to resolve this burgeoning conflict. But history also shows it never happens peacefully.
Rome managed it, strangely… and the western empire balkanized and collapsed (I know it’s not quite that simple of course, but still).
The red could live with this because it's localist -- it can live and let live. But Enlightenment liberalism (the blue) is a universal, liberationist ideology. It's essentially a rival religion. And the new God will not tolerate coexistence with the old.
The irony of all this is the distinct possibility that illegal alien invader riots may just end up driving black people into the patient, loving arms of the Republican party, their natural home. And foreign terrorism on US soil is more likely to unite the country and be blamed at least partially on Democrats. Further, a very large plurality, if not majority of latinos have fairly conservative Christian social values and abhor social order. A lot of them actually like “Papi Trump”. The other thing is that normies are getting dam sick and tired of commie violence and Dem-media lying and gaslighting about it. Theyre not buying the narrative of “fascist Trump” anymore as they see with their own eyes whom is actually the source of their misery. And what are, and who support the most reasonable, likely solutions. There are signs pointing to a major awakening. I see some form of national divorce as more likely than all out civil war.
A very, very good (and bracing) read. Thank you.
I think you’re mistaken about Hispanics. A lot of them voted for Trump and the Hispanic men here in South Texas are mostly based. Probably the same could be said for Florida. Now the ones in south Arizona and Southern California are not so good.
Kamala Harris still won the Hispanic vote decisively. There's also a tremendous ethnicity gap; Mexican Americans lean significantly left. There's a possibility the Hispanic vote swings back leftward next election.
I believe we are heading for a division. Maybe three or four separate countries. I believe that there will be a migration akin to Hindus leaving Pakistan and Bangladesh to India and Muslims vice versa. We are not unified. In fact there is an internal hatred between regions right now.
The divisions will probably be county-by-county. i.e. - the Eastern counties of Oregon and Washington want out in the strongest possible way. Chicago will throw in with a blue strip across northern Ohio to New England.
Gonna be weird.
Add to the list.
California politicians:
Can’t stop rampant crime.
Can’t stop homelessness.
Can’t stop wildfires.
Can’t build high speed rail.
And now:
Can’t stop rioting.
They can, it's that they won't
At some point, competence trumps ideology. What scares me is that's how you get a Franco or a Lenin or a Hitler: sure, he's a terrible person, but at least he can keep the lights on, the trains running, and my kids protected.
Could clean up SF, when the head of Chinese Communist Party came for a visit. They can, but choose not to.
This isn’t even the worst riot in recent memory. It’s not going to spiral into a civil war. LA loves riots. This is nothing compared to BLM but that wasn’t the first awful riot either. Who exactly do you think Is going to take up arms against the military in a an organized fashion?
The military, not now or in the near future. But cops? Maybe firefighters responding to a fire in that gentryfing neighborhood? Or military members on leave? That might very well become common.
Cops would take up arms against the military?
Cops getting attacked/assassinated.
I don’t think that constitutes civil war and I’d be surprised if even that happened.
It'd be low-intensity conflict, which is what I see coming.
Hmmm.
Maybe I’m wrong.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-alex-padilla-forcibly-removed-dhs-sec-kristi-noems-press-conferenc-rcna212688
“We are not going away," she said. "We are staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country," she said