Either we the citizenry, alongside those who enforce the law, use violence when necessary to maintain order, or the bad people will use violence to have their way with us.
From the CDC linked "study" in the LA Times article: "Over half of women and almost 1 in 3 men have experienced sexual violence involving physical contact during their lifetimes."
This is just as insane as the "1 in 4 college coeds are raped" statistic that has been floating around the decades. If that were actually true, no father would EVER send his daughter to college.
IN the case of the LA Times (and CDC), it's clear the definition of "sexual violence" is deceptive here. Most people think of "sexual violence" as rape, but in many studies like this, any woman who has ever had her ass groped on a subway is a "sexual violence" victim. The dead giveaway is the "1 in 3 men" line. There is absolutely no way that 1 in 3 men have been victims of anything that any normal human being would call "sexual violence".
We live on a little farm, 40 minutes from the nearest "city" which is 50,000 pop. My neighbours don't lie and steal. Except once i was in town and my neighbour asked to borrow some plumbing supplies (he knew where i kept them), then texted to say sorry he'd taken a few fresh warm cookies i'd left on the counter (i was happy he liked them - he helps us all the time). That is community - not the psychotic yelling in an apartment at the top of his voice next to a lying, thieving potential murderer. Urban life is crazy and neurotic.
Why care about the average woman, when the average woman wants to immasculate men. I think this violence against women can in the long term be good society by showing we need masculinity. I'm all for this; it will be good long term. You gotta break some eggs...
When it comes to the woman on the train, I find it apropos that you bring up the word "Karen". After that word took off, most white women I know, and of all ages, are constantly afraid of being called a Karen, so much so that they will back down from defending or advocating for themselves in even the smallest, most trivial social interactions. For instance; I've gone out with my family and, if something's wrong with the food and my mom makes a comment, my sisters immediately start gibbering, "Oh, don't be a Karen", as if my mother simply (and politely) informing the wait staff that the food came out wrong would somehow be confrontational, aggressive, and in the wrong to... ask for the food she actually ordered. My mom even prefaces some of her statements with, "I know this sounds like a Karen thing to say", sometimes. Another time, I was out with a friend and we were waiting for someone to help us. A staff member was too engrossed with their phone to notice that we were standing there. I said something to get their attention, and my friend groused something to the effect that if she said something, she'd be a "Karen" for doing it. Which, yeah - she probably would, because the entire point of the term seems to have shifted since it's inception. When the phrase started becoming popular, it was widely used to classify a certain type of customer in the service industry that gets disproportionately belligerent, and that's fine. Working in the service industry, those people exist. But, as time has gone on, the phrase seems to have changed to refer to a woman who complains about any negative interaction in public, wrongly OR rightly. A woman receives an incorrect order and politely asks for it to be corrected? Karen. A woman tries to get the attention of an employee who's jerking around on their phone instead of working? Karen. A woman is approached by a pack of "amiable urban youths" and gives them the cold shoulder? Oh, that's not just Karen behavior, that's racist Karen behavior.
The point is, pretty much anything can get a woman labelled as a Karen, it seems, and women - especially white women - now live in a world where the ever-present panopticon of social media means that they could make a simple request or an innocuous actions and have a dozen cameras whipped out, record her, and have her face plastered across TikTok as the next big Karen freakout video. Imagine if you make a request of a barista and THEY'RE the ones that respond with disproportionate anger, but you end up looking like the Karen for "instigating" and, when the cameras come out, all that's recorded is "OMG EPIC BARISTA LOSES IT ON STUPID KAREN!" Nobody would ever want that to happen, but for women, that's basically social suicide. Clearly, they would rather take the passive route and allow themselves to be walked over than risk being labeled as a "Karen". And, again, I understand why, but it's just kind of amazing that this one word, proliferated by social media, has them all so whipped. My conspiratorial inclinations lead me to want to believe that it was by design - by who, I can't say - to cow the public into accepting lower standards of service as the quality of service (and employees) at the vast majority of places plummet, and more amenable to the current state of anarcho-tyranny as a whole (rest assured, if a woman complained about their neighbor stealing a package, they would be a "Karen" because, c'mon - it's just paper towels! Don't be so stingy. Maybe he needed it more. It's a "Karen" thing to complain about). I kind of doubt it, though. I think it's just the way those kind of words come (and hopefully go, one day), ratcheted up and magnified by the omnipresence of social media and the literal panopticon it creates.
I agree with you that the woman on the train made a quick calculation to go along with the blunt request of the group rather than risk violence. For so many rowdy young men to be involved, the odds are strong that one would take extreme offense if she did not obey the request. It reminds me of Dr.Joyce Benenson’s great work “Warriors and Worriers: The Survival of the Sexes” that explains how women must put their own safety and reproductive health first in any social interaction. At times, that comes with this difficult decision. I’m sure you’d immediately grasp the significance of that book’s great insights. I really think that many female politicians of both parties (at least the ones we currently have) simply are not equipped to fight this onslaught of crime. Their maternal instinct for equality and nurturing has been directed by the media and propaganda to sympathize with the exact people who must be stopped. Then, when the crime continues, they somehow shame the men who are not even in control to do something. So this woman on the NYC council lambasts men categorically while herself being in a position to put pressure on the DA or change laws to stop it. The willful blindness of those in power is too much at times. As an aside, have you ever witnessed a female politician or DA come down really hard on crime and change laws to punish criminals more harshly? I truly can’t think of one. It’s a sincere question.
From the CDC linked "study" in the LA Times article: "Over half of women and almost 1 in 3 men have experienced sexual violence involving physical contact during their lifetimes."
This is just as insane as the "1 in 4 college coeds are raped" statistic that has been floating around the decades. If that were actually true, no father would EVER send his daughter to college.
IN the case of the LA Times (and CDC), it's clear the definition of "sexual violence" is deceptive here. Most people think of "sexual violence" as rape, but in many studies like this, any woman who has ever had her ass groped on a subway is a "sexual violence" victim. The dead giveaway is the "1 in 3 men" line. There is absolutely no way that 1 in 3 men have been victims of anything that any normal human being would call "sexual violence".
As a woman, i 100% think she felt threatened and hoped to deflect attention until she could get to a safer place
We live on a little farm, 40 minutes from the nearest "city" which is 50,000 pop. My neighbours don't lie and steal. Except once i was in town and my neighbour asked to borrow some plumbing supplies (he knew where i kept them), then texted to say sorry he'd taken a few fresh warm cookies i'd left on the counter (i was happy he liked them - he helps us all the time). That is community - not the psychotic yelling in an apartment at the top of his voice next to a lying, thieving potential murderer. Urban life is crazy and neurotic.
Why care about the average woman, when the average woman wants to immasculate men. I think this violence against women can in the long term be good society by showing we need masculinity. I'm all for this; it will be good long term. You gotta break some eggs...
When it comes to the woman on the train, I find it apropos that you bring up the word "Karen". After that word took off, most white women I know, and of all ages, are constantly afraid of being called a Karen, so much so that they will back down from defending or advocating for themselves in even the smallest, most trivial social interactions. For instance; I've gone out with my family and, if something's wrong with the food and my mom makes a comment, my sisters immediately start gibbering, "Oh, don't be a Karen", as if my mother simply (and politely) informing the wait staff that the food came out wrong would somehow be confrontational, aggressive, and in the wrong to... ask for the food she actually ordered. My mom even prefaces some of her statements with, "I know this sounds like a Karen thing to say", sometimes. Another time, I was out with a friend and we were waiting for someone to help us. A staff member was too engrossed with their phone to notice that we were standing there. I said something to get their attention, and my friend groused something to the effect that if she said something, she'd be a "Karen" for doing it. Which, yeah - she probably would, because the entire point of the term seems to have shifted since it's inception. When the phrase started becoming popular, it was widely used to classify a certain type of customer in the service industry that gets disproportionately belligerent, and that's fine. Working in the service industry, those people exist. But, as time has gone on, the phrase seems to have changed to refer to a woman who complains about any negative interaction in public, wrongly OR rightly. A woman receives an incorrect order and politely asks for it to be corrected? Karen. A woman tries to get the attention of an employee who's jerking around on their phone instead of working? Karen. A woman is approached by a pack of "amiable urban youths" and gives them the cold shoulder? Oh, that's not just Karen behavior, that's racist Karen behavior.
The point is, pretty much anything can get a woman labelled as a Karen, it seems, and women - especially white women - now live in a world where the ever-present panopticon of social media means that they could make a simple request or an innocuous actions and have a dozen cameras whipped out, record her, and have her face plastered across TikTok as the next big Karen freakout video. Imagine if you make a request of a barista and THEY'RE the ones that respond with disproportionate anger, but you end up looking like the Karen for "instigating" and, when the cameras come out, all that's recorded is "OMG EPIC BARISTA LOSES IT ON STUPID KAREN!" Nobody would ever want that to happen, but for women, that's basically social suicide. Clearly, they would rather take the passive route and allow themselves to be walked over than risk being labeled as a "Karen". And, again, I understand why, but it's just kind of amazing that this one word, proliferated by social media, has them all so whipped. My conspiratorial inclinations lead me to want to believe that it was by design - by who, I can't say - to cow the public into accepting lower standards of service as the quality of service (and employees) at the vast majority of places plummet, and more amenable to the current state of anarcho-tyranny as a whole (rest assured, if a woman complained about their neighbor stealing a package, they would be a "Karen" because, c'mon - it's just paper towels! Don't be so stingy. Maybe he needed it more. It's a "Karen" thing to complain about). I kind of doubt it, though. I think it's just the way those kind of words come (and hopefully go, one day), ratcheted up and magnified by the omnipresence of social media and the literal panopticon it creates.
I agree with you that the woman on the train made a quick calculation to go along with the blunt request of the group rather than risk violence. For so many rowdy young men to be involved, the odds are strong that one would take extreme offense if she did not obey the request. It reminds me of Dr.Joyce Benenson’s great work “Warriors and Worriers: The Survival of the Sexes” that explains how women must put their own safety and reproductive health first in any social interaction. At times, that comes with this difficult decision. I’m sure you’d immediately grasp the significance of that book’s great insights. I really think that many female politicians of both parties (at least the ones we currently have) simply are not equipped to fight this onslaught of crime. Their maternal instinct for equality and nurturing has been directed by the media and propaganda to sympathize with the exact people who must be stopped. Then, when the crime continues, they somehow shame the men who are not even in control to do something. So this woman on the NYC council lambasts men categorically while herself being in a position to put pressure on the DA or change laws to stop it. The willful blindness of those in power is too much at times. As an aside, have you ever witnessed a female politician or DA come down really hard on crime and change laws to punish criminals more harshly? I truly can’t think of one. It’s a sincere question.